New MiniTiouner hardware

Discussion about the MiniTiouner board and the MiniTiouner Digital ATV Receive Software. See also http://www.vivadatv.org/index.php
g0mjw
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g0mjw » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:13 pm

m0xtd wrote:Hi Noel,

Comments based on building the MiniTiouner batch for ARISS. Mostly arose from trying to fit everything into a Hammond 1590D box but several are just observations based on the experience of building ten of them :-)

1. Vertical NIM - please, or at least the option to have the NIM vertical. Having the lugs secured via suitable PCB holes would make it a lot more mechanical rigid and remove the risk of the two "legs" on the existing PCB breaking. Note, one thing I did was to bend the lugs on the NIM so that they lay over the PCB legs (P1 & P2) and then soldered both. That way I had a firm earth connection as well as increasing the mechanical strength of the NIM/PCB combination. P2, due to its smaller size, is very fragile compared to P1.

2. PCB Mounting points - at least two, if not one on each corner.

3. Voltage Regulators - I mounted the PCBs inside a metal box and ended up securing the PCB to the box via three nut/bolts which also attached to the voltage regulators. The box therefore became a big heatsink. However, It would be better if there was an option for the regulators to be bolted to the case directly rather than through nuts/bolts.

4. PCB holes for the PSU - might just be the PSU I got (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-pack-MP1584 ... SwLVZV5Kdc) but the holes are ever so slightly off centre. I used pin headers (0.1") - fitted the PCB perfectly but didnot match the holes in the PSU.

5. Is there any reason for mixing SM and TH components? Can we stick with just one type?

6. The links for the bias voltage - is it at all possible to do these just like the LK2/LK3 links for powering the voltage regulators. Removes the risk of accidently enabling both methods and saves the NIM.

7. Having the I2C bus brought out to the J4 header is brilliant for debuging issues when the NIM doesnt respond but everything else checks out ok. Can other signals be made available?

8. Power socket - not really that bothered by that one as I used a plug/socket arrangement the supply. Connection to the board was via twin cable entering the existing holes from underneath. For me, that meant the only thing protruding from the edges of the board were the USB and NIM connections.

9. The J3 header - going to be difficult to use that with the USB module in situ. Can it be moved to the other side of CN1 if there is a plan to use it.

HTH.

73 - Ciaran M0XTD
Some good suggestions. I have been looking into this. Early thoughts, untested, probably has errors so no promises. I don't have a lot of time or skill.

1 - yes.

2 - yes - use a fibre washer if shorting close tracks is an issue - or use a smaller nut and bolt. Two per corner is too many. Its one per corner.

3 - Chop off the end of the PCB and you can do this. Its designed as a radiator but its only going to be about 50C per watt. AS dissipation is likely to of the order of 5W that's not enough so proposal is to put a spacer underneath and conduct to the case - thermal vias included..

4 - Redesigned the PSU module to not fit any known board - that way everyone will be equally unhappy. There seem to be many variations.

5 - Sigh

6 - Hmm

7 - All of the USB signals are available on the top of the USB module - so its not all that hard to intercept them for testing!

8 - Plan to use standard DC barrel socket

9 - its nowhere near and no longer called J3.
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M0SKM
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by M0SKM » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:48 am

That looks good Mike. Not wishing to dismantle my nicely packaged Eardatek and Sharp tuners I'd want a new board for the Serit.

Looking forward to putting an order in.

Thanks for your time and effort.

Steve
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g0mjw
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g0mjw » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:47 pm

It will take a while. I need to order a PCB, build it, test it, fix it, reorder it, rebuild it, fix it again and then I'll be ready.

I originally was thinking of a 160mm long case to leave room for a front panel for switches, lock indicators LCD displays or whatever. I have since reduced the length a bit to get it down to 118x100mm with the hope if it fitting into one of these http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/1455N1201.pdf though that would limit what you can fit on the front.

Mike

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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g0mjw » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:58 am

Test PCB turned up this afternoon from Seeed.
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Will it work?

Mike

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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by DG8KD » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:39 pm

Hi Mike,

of course, It will work !!!!!
Good luck, can´t wait to get the new PCB......

Will it support also the new SERIT NIM tuner (with the booster)?

Regards
Rainer
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g0mjw
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g0mjw » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:20 pm

DG8KD wrote:Hi Mike,

of course, I will work !!!!!
Good luck, can wait to get the new PCB......

Will it support also the new SERIT NIM tuner (with the booster)?

Regards
Rainer

Not sure how you can tell from that photo - unfortunately I am missing one key component - a 20mm PCB mounting fuse holder. Without this I can't test properly. One PCB error so far, the holes for the idiot diode are slightly too small so I used a 1N4004 instead of the beefier 1N5404 intended for the prototype.
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My NIM has been hacked to fit an SMA so it would go in an earlier case. Its also sitting on a socket, which is not needed but useful for testing. It means the tabs don't quite reach but it is a great relief to discover they are in the right place.

Todo - modify DC-DC converter to replace pot by fixed resistor to avoid accidents. I am using it at 4V out. Need to look and see if that is enough (I can test once fuse holder arrives from China) or if it needs to be a little more. There is no 5V supply requirement as the FTDI module is bus powered.

I don't know if it will support the new tuner with booster - I am hoping so but until they arrive we don't know.

Mike

PS - anyone need a converter board? Mine is now surplus.

g6crf
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g6crf » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:53 pm

Hi there, I have two MiniTiouners, one with a sharp nim and one with an eardatek nim and I would like to convert the later to a serit nim, however the shop has none in stock.
Can anyone tell me where to get the new Serit NIM please.
Thanks
Terry
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g8gtz
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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g8gtz » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:41 pm

Hi Terry,

We have 100 on order - should be here in about 4 weeks.

73 Noel

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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by g6crf » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:35 pm

Thanks Noel.
Looking for to meeting you at CAT17
Cheers
Terry

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Re: New MiniTiouner hardware

Post by F6GWE » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:42 am

Hello Mike

Good job!

Probably it is too late but do not you think it would be better to have the power plug aligned on the edge of the PCB?

73

Patrick

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