IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

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IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:28 am

Hi,

finally the 500w 2,4ghz ready fo DVB-S2 tests. Designed by myself with Ampleon USA supports.
Produced by Fausto Coletti.

See the pictures.

Next Sunday DVB-S2 portstdown streaming tests with 250w new PA 105cm uplink dish.

Bye!
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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by roland_F8CHK » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:08 am

Hi,
Nice job! I have a question: is the LDMOS soldered or only maintained by the teflon bar?
I have sucessfully used this sort of fixation for my 20 W 2.4 GHz amp, and was wondering if I could do the same with the Ampleon 250 W LDMOS?

73,
Roland F8CHK

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:58 am

Hi,

Yes, only the bar not soldered but using a bit of
white thermal past. I’ve not soldered it bevause
I’ll use it at 200w maximum power.
I’m current using the 250w ampleon pallet witch has
the ldmos soldered to the pallet and the pallet
it is screwed to the case with thermal past.
an italian colleague used the bar only whith the ldmos
using the bar at 80w and i works.

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:03 am

I suggest to place the 250w over a copper pallet as I did with the 500 to increase thermal factor.

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by g0mjw » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:35 am

Is the white thermal paste conductive? If not HF instability may occur. Use conductive paste or put screws in to make sure the ground is good at low frequencies. There is a reason practically all professional equipment aims for excellent grounding. Still, it's your risk to take and there is a risk of damage from soldering them down too.

How much power do you get out with -50 dB shoulders? At VHF I have found with standard LDMOS about above 10% of the maximum output the shoulders start to grow. That means a 500W PA is only really good for 50W on 4m and 2m in the special allocations where we have to be very careful not to radiate out of band. That's already above the power limit so its fine, unless we get a higher limit. Increasing the bias helps a bit but probably DPD is the answer.

Mike

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:04 am

Hi,

About thermal past we've used non conduttive, we have not seen and kind of instabilities.
Abaout the power and shoulders I'll measure it as soon as I'll Made dvbs tests.
Currently I'm using the 250w ampleon pallet and getting around 80w with 40db shoulders.
As a rule of thumb to è stimate the shoulders I use cw maxi power minus 6db for 40db shoulders
and half of the power to get 35db shoulders.
For sure if you are using Umts amplifiers on 2,4ghz the rule is not valid.

I've also one other ldmos pallet on uhf having 500w but not used for dvbs, at max power I've mesured -60db at
864mhz.

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:55 am

Hi,

first 500w Ampleon Pa tests, first changed PA to 105cm cable to 1/2inches Cellflex to stand up to 700w at 2,4Ghz as in attacched 105cm-ofset.jpg.
First dattv tx trial at 1Msymbol immediately stopped due to over power.
Second tests 2Msymbol see pictures 2Msymb.jpg.
Last but not least new upstation see Upstation.jpg.

Power around 130w shoulders 50db.

Bye!
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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by g0mjw » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:44 am

What is the function of the plastic water bottle with a syringe in it?

Mike

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:41 pm

Hi,

the bottle is a curiosity killer…

I've done an hole in the roof exactly over the up station, I've than placed a pipe directly going to the roof offset dish.
It rained a lot during last month in Italy, sometime I had rain drops getting in, so I've decided to place a plastic box
to avoid the drops going to the PA.

Originally the bottle and syringe was to fill out the water…

Finally I've found the rain infiltration and solved the problem..

I'll leave everything just in case of Great Flood :D

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Re: IZ4RYB Ampleon 500w ready for Dattv tests

Post by iz4ryb » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:49 pm

Dattv experience completed with 500w PA.

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASNR16ijOdk

Bye!

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