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HB9DUG
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A worldwide first?

Post by HB9DUG » Sun Dec 01, 2024 4:49 pm

DATV linear transponder on HB9TV-1 relay

For those interested, full details at

https://home.swissatv.ch/2024/12/une-premiere-mondiale/

73 de michel, hb9dug

M0DTS
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Re: A worldwide first?

Post by M0DTS » Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:46 am

Very interesting Michel, i have wanted to do this for a long time but never got round to it!

Well done and i will keep an eye on the websdr!

73
Rob

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Re: A worldwide first?

Post by g8gtz » Mon Dec 02, 2024 12:12 pm

Hi Michel

Very interesting - any chance of a short CQ-TV article?

Noel

HB9DUG
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Re: A worldwide first?

Post by HB9DUG » Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:01 pm

With pleasure Noel !

vy 73 de michel, hb9dug

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Re: A worldwide first?

Post by SkyVision » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:30 am

Could someone please expand this a bit
Is this a repeater where the input is not decoded and then re-encoded
And the transport is passed from the Rx to the Tx, which may regenerate the signal
Or some form of translator/transmodulator where it exits at different parameters/mode
Bent pipe?

Cheers Roger VK5YYY

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Re: A worldwide first?

Post by g0mjw » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:04 am

I am assuming it is a linear transponder, like on QO100, but mounted on a mast on a mountain, rather than in space. In a sense that is nothing new, we have had TV relays for many decades, but new in the amateur arena. Actually I do remember there was something similar tested for CW/SSB in the past.

I experimented with something similar using an Ettus B200 and Gnuradio around 12 years ago. As I recall, the main problem was the AGC and preventing strong signals on the input driving the output too hard, while retaining sensitivity.

The near-far effect, coupled with terrain losses, can represent signal strength differences of many orders of magnitude at VHF/UHF. While the same issue applies to the QO100 satellite transponder, it is not anywhere near as extreme as terrestrially because all ground stations are at similar ranges, and line of sight, so it is only the difference in transmit power and antenna gain. I am interested in how Michael has solved that challenge.

Mike

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