Knucker not Receiving

Discussion about the Knucker DVB-T Tuner DVB-T Receive Software. See also https://wiki.batc.org.uk/Knucker
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Knucker not Receiving

Post by G6MNJ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:54 pm

Built a Knucker over the past week for use with Portsdown 4.

Set first voltage regulator set to 5v output but I am concerned PCB has +4v on it - which is it?

All other volts are as expected 1.1 3.3 and 3.3v

The low esr 407uF caps are as requested. Checked all components installed ok.

The display screen shows the receiver is scanning but despite a large local DVBT signal it seems deaf to it.

Is there a setup/check routine anywhere I can run through please?

73 Paul G6MNJ

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by g0mjw » Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:09 pm

Hi Paul

The switcher should be set as low as you can get away with and the regulators still regulate. 4V is a good target. Any more means more heat dissipated.

When you say strong local signal, how are you generating it? From the Portsdown Lime, the Pluto ?

Mike

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by G6MNJ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:28 pm

Output is from a Pluto then through amps to around 10W into antenna

I will drop the volts to 4v then

Paul

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by g0mjw » Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:43 pm

If it is 10W you might be over-driving the RX. I suppose you don't know at this point if the TX signal is invalid or if the RX isn't working or both. I would check the spectrum is what you expect first and if it looks OK try with something relatively wide first, e.g. 500kHz with QPSK and 1/2 FEC. Also take out the PA and connect the Pluto to the RX via a suitably large attenuator, e.g. 60 dB or so.

Mike

PS - and make sure you use the correct input :)

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by G6MNJ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:39 pm

OK +10dB from PLuto through 50dB attenuator to lower socket of Knucker

I now get

Signal locked
437.000 Mhz 500kHz
Const QPSK FFT 2k
Guard 1/32
SSI 100
SQI 0
SNR 0.00
Per 0.02

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by G6MNJ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:42 pm

correction sqi 29

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by g0mjw » Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:54 pm

That's better. Drop the Pluto power another 10 dB?

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by G6MNJ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:56 pm

what do these numbers mean?

SSI signal strength Indicator
SQI signal quality Indicator
I know snr
but per?

I have now have received a signal, but the tuner seems extremely deaf to me with an antenna floating above the board with -5dB rx report SNR 0.5!

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by G8GKQ » Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:39 pm

It's all the the CQ-TV article. CQ-TV 271, page 16.

Dave

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Re: Knucker not Receiving

Post by radiogareth » Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:00 pm

Generally anything BUT deaf, as the are designed for direct connection to a terrestrial antenna rather than a LNB with its vast excess of gain.
Slow to lock compared to DVBS/S2 yes, but it gets there.
Good luck.
Gareth

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