MRF24300N performance at high power

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by g0mjw » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:58 pm

Maybe the amplifier following is a bad match?

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4GUO » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:18 pm

The main issue I have seen personally with shoulders @2.4 is that while they can't been seen on the transponder they do start to spread across the WiFi band which causes problems with both Bluetooth and WiFi. OFCOM also plan to allow other users into the 2.39 - 2.4 GHz spectrum soon which may be an issue in certain circumstances in the future.

- Charles

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4GUO » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:24 pm

If the distortion in the Lime is analogue distortion then pre-distortion will correct that as part of the transmit chain.

I only remember seeing distortion from the Lime if the tx gains are turned up full. The distortion may be in the spectrum analyser.
I have seen that here, though the analyser did start to complain when it happened.

- Charles

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by g0mjw » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:39 am

G4GUO wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:24 pm
The distortion may be in the spectrum analyser.
I have seen that here, though the analyser did start to complain when it happened.
That's a good point Charles - I didn't spot it but the level is -10 dBm in a 120kHz resolution bandwidth on a 1 MHz wide signal so the power into the analyser must be 0 dBm, 10 dB below the reference level, which one would think would be OK but worth checking.

The Lime on it's own, through an attenuator, at a presumably lower level on the screen should be OK. I am sure mine was much better than this except when driven to its maximum output, which isn't recommended. Perhaps another high dynamic range driver amplifier is needed. Getting the gain right is important and we have to be careful not to over-amplify the noise and spurious signals

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4WIM » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:55 pm

Hi Charles, Mike

I can confirm it is not spectrum analyser overload as I've reduced the signal level and also go the same result on two different analysers plus repeating the same tests under the same conditions with a DATV express tx results in a much cleaner signal.

Thus I can only conclude my Lime is not as clean as it should be despite have the full 5V applied from a USB3 hub.

I'll try again but with my spare Lime to see if that's the same.

Regards Tim

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4GUO » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:37 pm

I just compared my Lime, Express and Pluto at 500 K using the datvexpress software (I couldn't get the Pluto output as high as the other two)
but while my Lime is not as bad as your's it is somewhat worse than the other two.
I tried reducing the Lime output and it didn't make it any better.
The spectrum analyser was a SignalHound BB60C

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4WIM » Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:09 am

Hi Charles

your measurements are practically the same as mine for all three devices.

Interesting that Lime doesn't change much and in fact gets worse at lower powers at least in my case.

Ideally for signal fidelity reasons I'd prefer to use my DATV Express as the exciter, but as I also want to use a Jetson for H265 coding I figure that ties me into the Lime ?

Regards Tim

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4GUO » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:36 am

Well Tim,

I did write an application for Express that runs on the Jetson but it doesn't work properly and I have no idea why.
I ran it on a standard Intel Linux machine and it worked but not on the Nano. (Go figure).

https://github.com/G4GUO/datvexpressSink

- Charles

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4WIM » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:04 am

Thanks Charles,

I may well have a play with that code at some point - but right now have more pressing problems to resolve !

Regards Tim

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Re: MRF24300N performance at high power

Post by G4GUO » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:17 am

Yes I was sorry to hear about your bereavement.

- Charles

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